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Little Stevie

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Posted - 03/13/2012 :  09:36:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ya know, looking at the first pic, I get the feeling that the Blvd. was originally planned as a residential street. It looks to have
a parkway with trees between the sidewalk and street. Much as the streets east & west of it developed in to.
LS
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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 03/13/2012 :  16:43:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Allen Wright told me that when he and Karl Fisher bought the land where the Serenade was to
be built that the only buildings along the blvd. from 165th south was Keys Fiber and a service station.


ROGER--

And here's the 1948 Hammond Directory listing that helps give an idea of the Indy Blvd/Woodmar
"wilderness" at the time:



Only blip on the radar screen as far as the eye can see is Stanley Zych's OLD GLORY TAVERN!

But we're finding out that these listings were never entirely accurate, since businesses could spring up at
a new address at any time during the year.

Roger---I think your first-hand experience and memories of the SERENADE will be
very valuable as we continue to unearth more material about it.

Larry

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Little Stevie

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Posted - 03/13/2012 :  19:58:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Larry, I noticed the last listing on the above is that Southeastern Ave. intersected the Blvd.
Do you or anyone out there have/or know where we could get a aerial photo of that section?

Before the Borman was built?

BTW, when was the Borman built? Know anyone who's home was torn down for its construction?
LS

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Jay

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Posted - 03/14/2012 :  03:04:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Little Stevie
...
BTW, when was the Borman built? Know anyone who's home was torn down for its construction?
LS
...



Below is what I learned from the internet.

The Borman Expressway was built interchange by interchange as an eastern extension from the Kingery Expressway in Illinois.
1949 - began at the state line as a paved four lane divided highway known as Indiana SR (State Road) 420
1951 - extended to the Calumet Avenue interchange in Hammond
1954 - extended to the Indianapolis Boulevard interchange
1956 - extended to the Burr Street interchange in Gary
1961 - renamed as the Tri-State expressway
1964 - extended to the Indiana Toll Road
1968 - widened to six lanes
1969 - renamed as the Frank Borman Expressway.
Gary native Frank Borman was one of three astronauts aboard Apollo 8, the first manned NASA mission to fly to the moon and back (they circled the moon but did not land).

As for your second question, although I don't know of anyone who had to be relocated for the Borman construction, my family had a similar connection. A couple of years before the Indiana Toll Road was built through the Roxanna section of East Chicago, my parents almost purchased a home in the toll road's path. I don't know if someone else purchased it just before it had to be demolished.

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BobK

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Posted - 03/14/2012 :  07:06:00  Show Profile  Send BobK a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
1952 from Columbia to Indianapolis Blvd. Calumet interchange is open westbound only.


with streets


Bob
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Little Stevie

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Posted - 03/14/2012 :  22:47:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanx Bob!
I like the pics! It's interesting to see these photos of the neighborhood.
LS
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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 03/15/2012 :  01:22:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm assuming that SR-152 on the aerial map above is Indy Blvd--right? So in 1952
Southeastern Ave did not intersect, as the 1948 Directory above says. Southeastern looks like
it ends about where it does today.

LR
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BobK

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Posted - 03/15/2012 :  05:38:15  Show Profile  Send BobK a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
The road layout is the current road overlay.

Bob
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Roger D

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Posted - 03/15/2012 :  09:45:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We moved from north Hammond on May 31, 1957 to Hessville (the 7600 block of New Hampshire. The interstate was being completed but not open from Kennedy east. We lived two blocks from Cline Ave. and would go to the cloverleaf and ride our bikes on it.
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BobK

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Posted - 03/15/2012 :  16:25:36  Show Profile  Send BobK a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Larry, yes, SR 152 is Indy but there is no later aerial than 1973 but it sure looks like it intersected Indy before the xway.

Bob
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Little Stevie

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Posted - 03/20/2012 :  23:02:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the Beginning,


God said: "Let there be an oasis for weary travelers on the High Tolleston Beach of Ancient Lake Michigan."

And so it was the beginning:







LS

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wvcogs

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Posted - 03/21/2012 :  12:50:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Little Stevie

In the Beginning,

God said: "Let there be an oasis for weary travelers on the High Tolleston Beach of Ancient Lake Michigan."

And so it was the beginning:
LS

Very interesting foundation, and right on the High Tolleston Beach!
Ken
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Little Stevie

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Posted - 03/25/2012 :  21:08:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And as the Oasis was without form, God said:

"Let thy fountaton be laid"

And so it was:






And God saw that it was good.
LS

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 03/26/2012 :  02:46:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting to see these two pics taken from almost the exact same angle; the row of houses in the background
are along the north side of 169th St, heading west and intersected by Baring and Ridgeland. In the color shot,
you can see smoke over the trees---probably from the Swift Factory on 167th.

The overgrown fields in the left background are the very location where one day the 6900 block of Magoun Avenue
would spring up.

STEVE---do we have any dates on these pics?

larry

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Little Stevie

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Posted - 03/26/2012 :  20:54:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No Larry,
The only dates were on the back of the first photo posted. June of '47.
Figure the photos progressed that summer.
Although . . . seems to have taken a long time for construction.
Longer than it took Noah to build his ark!
LS

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 03/29/2012 :  01:43:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since the weather has practically felt like summertime in da' region lately....

I thought I would post this cool picture that I came across in the Library's historical room; wow!
What a surprise to find a vintage photo of my very favorite old mom-and-pop toy store, McCAULEY'S,
on 173rd just west of Calumet Ave, which we usually visited in the summer:



Check out the mid-50's cars, the kids on bikes, the Pepsi logo etc...that's exactly the way I remember it
from those golden years on Magoun Avenue.

And, of course...things wouldn't seem complete without a shot of the same scene today,
taken on March 27, 2012.



The building now houses a Balkan food store. Does anyone remember the legendary McCauley's?

Special thanks to Steve Kush for his help brightening up this pics, especially the Pepsi logo in the top one.

LR

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Tom J

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Posted - 03/29/2012 :  07:17:13  Show Profile  Visit Tom J's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Larry:

That first car on the left in the old picture sure looks like a 1956 Dodge. The other cars in the picture are older than that.

Tomster
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tom w

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Posted - 03/29/2012 :  12:01:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like a Dodge Coronet to me. The next one is a Studebaker made in South Bend, any one of those beauties would fetch enough at auction today to take a few days off, huh? Tom
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HassoBenSoba

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642 Posts

Posted - 03/29/2012 :  14:02:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And there's a '56 Ford with its rear end facing us on the left (south) side of the street; so this pic is
probably summer of '57, the height of summer greatness in my memory.

TOM J--do you remember McCauley's? You lived fairly close by, right?

Larry

PS-- the blue Saturn parked on the right side of the "Now" photo is mine.
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Tom J

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Posted - 03/29/2012 :  14:35:35  Show Profile  Visit Tom J's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba

And there's a '56 Ford with its rear end facing us on the left (south) side of the street; so this pic is
probably summer of '57, the height of summer greatness in my memory.

TOM J--do you remember McCauley's? You lived fairly close by, right?

Larry

PS-- the blue Saturn parked on the right side of the "Now" photo is mine.



Sure don't, Lar, but it sounds like I missed out on something pretty cool.
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Little Stevie

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Posted - 03/29/2012 :  22:05:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't remember ever going
to McCauley's Larry. My grandparents lived on Howard just north of 173rd st.
We went to Pete's Grocery on the corner of 173rd & Columbia for the Sunday paper on Saturday night.
When we went there so's my mom could do my grandmother's hair for church the next morning.
Wasn't there a hobby shop of sorts on Calumet just south of 173rd, on the west side of the street?
Did you take the "Now" pic in front of Terry's Aquarium?
LS

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 03/29/2012 :  22:55:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HERE'S A LISTING FROM THE HAMMOND YELLOW PAGES ('57, I think) for TOYS.
Many of the great old mom-and-pop toy stores of the era are listed on this page, including McCauley's,
Pla-Time, Pint-Size, Pee-Wee's (Highland), Gentry's and Dildine's (I wonder why MAKA'S on Columbia
across from St John Bosco Church, isn't listed).



INCIDENTALLY----

The video documentary I did on Hammond's mom-and-pop toy stores is on You Tube; here's the
LINK to part 1(which includes McCauley's).

http://youtu.be/ZFjMpZqgiS0

The video is in 7 parts and includes many of the stores listed in the yellow pages above.
If you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do for 45 minutes, you might enjoy watching it.

STEVE--YES (#1), the place on Calumet just south of 173rd was HOBBY TIME; it's also on my video.

YES (#2), Terry's Aquarium is just out of view on the right side of the "Now" pic of McCauley's above.

Larry

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HassoBenSoba

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642 Posts

Posted - 03/30/2012 :  15:04:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HEY---

Check the Yellow Page ad above for Pee-Wee's in Highland (lower left side); they had FREE TOY COUNSELING (!?).

LR
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Little Stevie

USA
359 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2012 :  18:03:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And God was pleased



"Let thy Oasis rise towards Heaven with structure upon thy foundation"


And it was so







Last Saturday, Larry & I met Mrs. Klish and another Magoun Ave. resident, Georgia Stewart at the HOP to reminisce and show them the recently "unearthed" pics.

Georgia's son, Jim, also was there, along with my wife, Dawn and sister Carolyn.

After pizza, the room noise was a little too loud to converse so we headed over to the Stewart home to view the pics and listen to stories about the 'hood from the two remaining residents.
Jim says that he's sure they have photos from their earliest days on Magoun that he eventually post here for all to see.
LS

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HassoBenSoba

USA
642 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2012 :  14:27:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AND HERE'S A PHONE-PIC taken one week ago tonight, which captures the event Steve described above.



A lovely evening (after consuming a TON of pizza across the street at House o' Pizza), sitting in Georgia Stewart's
home on Magoun, which she has lived in since 1955 (Georgia is on the right, Mrs Klish on the left; Steve's sister
Carol is up close). And of course, that's ol' L.S. himself on the left, in charge of the laptop as we view
our recently unearthed SERENADE photos.

Two things were especially cool: 1.) we were sitting in an original old '50's Magoun home that is an exact
duplicate of my Grandparent's house 4 doors to the north; the last time I was in that house was in 1963.
Standing in Georgia's house was like being back at Grandma's.

2.) These two wonderful old gals were absolutely thrilled to be looking at photographic evidence of
their own youth---the iconic SERENADE Drive-In that symbolized everything that was new and
exciting about living on Magoun Avenue back in its glory days.

A very special evening.

Wishing everyone a peaceful and blessed Easter.

Larry


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HassoBenSoba

USA
642 Posts

Posted - 04/10/2012 :  02:09:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
EVEN THOUGH THIS PHOTO is not from the Woodmar area, it's definitely a Magoun Avenue memory for me, since my family
drove along this street so often in the mid-late '50's, on the way home from my grandmother's. Anyone recognize it?
I bet Tom J will ~



LR

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Tom J

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Posted - 04/10/2012 :  07:19:25  Show Profile  Visit Tom J's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not 173rd, is it?
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Little Stevie

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359 Posts

Posted - 04/10/2012 :  10:21:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eastbound
on 173rd St. with Tapper Ave. intersection approaching. Not a 4 way "Stop" yet!
My grandparents lived 2 streets east on Howard, Uncle John lived 2 streets west on Woodlawn.
Great memories from this area of Hammond! Pete's Grocery was east 5 streets on Columbia, on the southwest corner.
LS

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HassoBenSoba

USA
642 Posts

Posted - 04/10/2012 :  13:08:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
GENTLEMEN--

You've nailed it. Before my mother's parents moved across the street from us on Magoun (in 1959),
we visited them often on Van Buren in south Hammond. The pic above shows the 173rd/Tapper
intersection exactly as I remember it as we drove home.

Check the fabulous little ma-and-pa grocery store on the left, with the striped canvas awning. In the 70's
and 80's, it was Maria's Beauty Salon. Not sure what it is today...but here's the same shot:



At least the area still looks nice. McCauley's Toy/variety store (posted above) was a few blocks to the
west of this intersection.

LR

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 04/10/2012 :  22:21:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's an isolated shot I took recently of the north side of the 173rd/Tapper intersection
(compared with the original view....c. 56 years difference)




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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 04/10/2012 :  22:22:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And here's the south side---





LR

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BobK

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Posted - 04/11/2012 :  05:45:08  Show Profile  Send BobK a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
56 years and it looks like the same awning over the doorway.

Bob
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Little Stevie

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Posted - 04/11/2012 :  23:24:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's another photo







of the foundation being poured.
With the sign of things to come!
LS

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 04/12/2012 :  03:35:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
STEVE--

You've taken us from 173rd and Tapper back to 169th and Indy Blvd in Woodmar, in the summer of 1948.
Yes, something big is taking shape!

Larry
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Little Stevie

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Posted - 04/12/2012 :  13:58:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HassoBenSoba

STEVE--

You've taken us from 173rd and Tapper back to 169th and Indy Blvd in Woodmar, in the summer of 1948.
Yes, something big is taking shape!

Larry



Here's a question
I've wanted to ask before, just kept forgetting.
Now seems like a good time, since I transported us back to the "Woodmar" area again.
What were the dividing boundries for the different neighborhoods?

What streets, RR tracks or other divisions defined "Hessville"? "Woodmar"?
And what is the area that the 173rd st. & Tapper intersection is in called?
LS
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wvcogs

USA
564 Posts

Posted - 04/12/2012 :  15:30:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Little Stevie

What streets, RR tracks or other divisions defined "Hessville"? "Woodmar"?
And what is the area that the 173rd st. & Tapper intersection is in called?
LS

The western border of Hessville has to be the railroad tracks behind McCook Avenue. The other borders probably are IHB tracks on the north, Little Cal on the south, and city limits on the east. Whether or not Woodmar comes all the way to the "other side of the tracks" is not for me to say.
Ken...
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Little Stevie

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Posted - 04/12/2012 :  22:57:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ken,
wouldn't the north border be the city line with EC? If not, then what's the area north of IHB tracks called?

My guess on the Woodmar boundries:
North: 167th street
East: the RR tracks you mentioned behind McCook.
South: Little Calumet River
West: Northcote Ave. from the river to 175th street then the Erie-Lakawana RR right-of way, now a bike/walking path to 167th street.
West of Northcote was called "Schliker Addition"? If I'm not mistaken. Might have misspelled it though.
LS

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S C Jones

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  11:12:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Stevie

here is a list of neighborhood names--not with boundaries, but it might help in
any investigating you may want to do.

Central Hammond
East Hammond
Glendale Park
Harrison Park
Hyde Park
Jacob's Square
Sohl
Hessville
North Hammond
Robertsdale
The Whiting post office (46394) serves not only the City of Whiting but also this adjacent Hammond neighborhood of Robertsdale, immediately to the west of Whiting. Addresses in this Hammond neighborhood show “Whiting, Indiana.” While not legally a part of the City of Whiting, locally the area has long been informally considered to be a culturally integrated part of Whiting. References to Whiting businesses or residents often include those technically from Hammond’s Robertsdale.[4][5][6]
South Hammond
Forest-Ivanhoe
Indi-Illi Park
Columbia Center
Meadows
Sleicher (Slacker)
Woodmar
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wvcogs

USA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  11:17:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Little Stevie

Ken,
wouldn't the north border be the city line with EC? If not, then what's the area north of IHB tracks called?
LS

I would call that area a "no man's land," not part of Hessville. It looks to me like the borders now are railroad tracks on north and west, Cline Avenue on east, and 80/94 or Little Calumet River on south, take your choice.
Ken

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S C Jones

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  13:21:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[PDF]
FEMA Flood Zones, USGS Stream Gages and Proposed Levees
www.hammond.lib.in.us/PDF/.../HammondMHMP_FEMA_USGS.pd...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Woodmar. Neighborhood. Robertsdale. Neighborhood. Central Hammond ..... Road Centerlines, Streams, Railroads, Municipal Boundaries provided by ...



Check out the above site for a map of neighborhoods that shows streets.

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wvcogs

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  13:52:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Try this page. I think it's where S C wanted to send us.
Ken

Hammond Neighborhoods

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S C Jones

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quote:
Originally posted by wvcogs

Try this page. I think it's where S C wanted to send us.
Ken

Hammond Neighborhoods

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S C Jones

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  14:26:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, that is the site, Ken. Thanks, Ken.

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Little Stevie

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  22:35:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pretty cool map SC!
And the list of neighborhoods!
We'll have to decipher the city into it's 'hoods!
Thanx
LS

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 04/19/2012 :  18:49:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
IN SUMMER OF 2011, Lil' Stevie, his sister Carol, and I were able to do a walk-through
of the great old Rapchak house at 6912 Magoun; sad to say, I barely recognized any of it.

So I've been working to locate every available photo of the inside of the house from the
great era from 1954-1962, when we lived there.

Here's good one from 1958 of cow-girl Nancy, standing against the living room drapes, with her
trusty ol'monkey pal that Mike and I named "GRUNT CRUNCH" (please don't ask me why).




Mike and I were just goofy.

LR

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HassoBenSoba

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Nancy in the 6912 Magoun living room on Easter, 1959; it was the last Sunday in March,
and was a cold and chilly one. Note the little dufus in the kitchen doorway.



Looks like another projectile hit Nancy (as we saw on the "Jefferson School" thread),
this time on her cheek. Actually, a little photo-shopping would have solved this.

LR

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Little Stevie

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Posted - 04/21/2012 :  21:56:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Love it!
I just love it! Great photo!
Like the plastic on the couch too!

Here's one of Little Stevie with his first bank!




Bev, Dad & Carol with Little Stevie holding his "Mr. Dough Dumper" bank in the summer 0f 1958!

Thanx Larry for knowing the name of the bank!
LS

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 04/22/2012 :  15:25:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Steve----

Yeah, "MR. DOUGH-DUMPER" was the name of your plastic bank. You'd stick a penny into the
top rung of the ladder; the penny would somersault down the ladder steps and plop into the bank
compartment at the bottom---but as it dropped in, The Dumper's plastic umbrella (which he held in
his left hand, and which looks like is MISSING in the pic) would bounce up and down, striking
the surface of the bank box.
-----
But wait, there's more:

Sometime in the late '80's, I was scouring the old re-sale shops along Halsted St. in Chicago and I
found a mint-condition "Dough-Dumper" in the original box for sale. I had totally forgotten about it
(Nancy had one back around '59), but seeing it on the shelf jogged my memory. So I bought it, wrapped it,
and gave it to Nancy for Christmas.

On Christmas eve, I handed Nancy the wrapped package, saying "you'll NEVER guess what this is." As she
turned the package a bit, the little plastic umbrella inside bounced once, just barely audible through the
wrapping paper.

"Dough-Dumper" she said without missing a beat, which almost knocked me out;
I couldn't believe that she immediately recognized that sound after 30 years.

Larry

PS. Another great pic of Bev; what a sweetheart. Obviously I was too young at the time to notice or care.

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HassoBenSoba

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Posted - 04/24/2012 :  15:07:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From early 1960, another cool shot from 6912 Magoun, with my dad, Nancy and Phillip playing some board game
or other. Our beautiful little '50's kitchen is partially visible through the door. When we walked through
the house this past July, the new owner told me that he had just replaced all of the original cabinet doors
within the past few months. DAMN...I wish I had known; I would have taken them and preserved them;
for what purpose, I'm not sure.



LR
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HassoBenSoba

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"OFFICE DUDES"----

Fall of 1957 in the 6912 Magoun kitchen, a view from the other side of the kitchen door seen in the photo above.



I had just started 1st Grade at OLPH, so I was either practicing my penmanship or drawing dinosaur pics.

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